Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years

[apb]

...Have there been any radical Muslim bombings in our country since 9/11 during the last 7+ years of his presidency?

No. Were they a common occurance before Bush?

Been working too much lately, not much time to post.

Andrew

[apb]

...and Had Bin Laden pegged to a location and let him walk....

May be Reagan/Bush should not have trained Bin Laden years ago. Would have saved us a lot of problems.

Gotta love the irony in repubs crying about the Hollywood wackos. After all, their big hero, Reagan, was a former actor....

Andrew

[kyfanatic]

May be Reagan/Bush should not have trained Bin Laden years ago. Would have saved us a lot of problems.

Gotta love the irony in repubs crying about the Hollywood wackos. After all, their big hero, Reagan, was a former actor....

Andrew

And you agree with Obama's stance on the 2nd amendment,gun rights,Liberal views on hunting and fishing?
Do you deny Obama's involvement with Muslim and domestic terrorists?

This is what you want for our country?

[JBryant]

Obama's stance on the 2nd amendment and gun rights, as quoted from his own plan to support the rights and traditions of sportsmen:

"Millions of hunters and shooters own and use guns each year. Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."

He also has plans to encourage more youth participation in hunting and fishing.

As for Obama's involvement with Muslim and domestic terrorists, either show a source that documents it or stop saying it, because it's just not true. Just because he's different than you and I does not mean he's a terrorist. I think McCain is involved with terrorists! I don't really, but see how easy it is to say stuff on the internet without providing any sources for claims.

Edit: I just saw the link you posted above to "support" Obama's terrorist ties. Blogs are personal opinions with whatever slanted reporting it takes to get their agenda across. If you want anyone to actually read a source and debate it with you, please choose a peer-reviewed one. I'm not saying CNN or any of the liberal media outlets most of you hate so much, just one where the person saying it is a known journalist or at least a poster that has provided his real name, his contact information, and other journalists/politicians/anyone who knows about the subject has critiqued or reviewed it.

[kyfanatic]

Obama's stance on the 2nd amendment and gun rights, as quoted from his own plan to support the rights and traditions of sportsmen:

"Millions of hunters and shooters own and use guns each year. Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."

He also has plans to encourage more youth participation in hunting and fishing.

As for Obama's involvement with Muslim and domestic terrorists, either show a source that documents it or stop saying it, because it's just not true. Just because he's different than you and I does not mean he's a terrorist. I think McCain is involved with terrorists! I don't really, but see how easy it is to say stuff on the internet without providing any sources for claims.

Edit: I just saw the link you posted above to "support" Obama's terrorist ties. Blogs are personal opinions with whatever slanted reporting it takes to get their agenda across. If you want anyone to actually read a source and debate it with you, please choose a peer-reviewed one. I'm not saying CNN or any of the liberal media outlets most of you hate so much, just one where the person saying it is a known journalist or at least a poster that has provided his real name, his contact information, and other journalists/politicians/anyone who knows about the subject has critiqued or reviewed it.

I honestly doubt any link I posted would appease you,you obviously are blind to the truth but I'll give a few links from "More Credible" sources to show Obama's prior voting record on Gun Control and the 2nd Amendment,His ties to Bill Ayers and other terrorists,especially those that supported the PLO =

http://www.nraila.org/OBAMA/
http://www.gunlawnews.org/Senators/Barack-Obama.html
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/09/1525564.aspx
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/american-issue-project-news/obamas-close-ties-to-radical-terrorist-ayers-documented.html
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/10/obamas-muslim-outreach-coordinator/
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7127

[Tim_T]

[QUOTE=JBryant;341649]Obama's stance on the 2nd amendment and gun rights, as quoted from his own plan to support the rights and traditions of sportsmen:

"Millions of hunters and shooters own and use guns each year. Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."QUOTE]

Please tell me you don't buy into that....he also has stated he is against concealed carry laws, wants to limit you to buying one gun a month and is for gun egistration...yeah, he is a real bastion for the second ammendment! This from the same guy who said that people cling to guns and religion because they are better.

Also, if you use the link I posted above you will see where he had a "slip of tongue" when he commented about his "Muslim Faith." He didn't catch himself instead George Stepalloverus had to correct him!

[JBryant]

Those are much better sources, actually. While I disagree with most of them, or parts of some of them, they are at least semi-legit. I'll be happy to debate you with sources such as these, though I doubt either one of us will change the other's opinions.

I could only connect to 3-4 of them though, the rest I was unable to access for whatever reason.

According to his gun control policies, please check Factcheck.org, a non-partisan site that gives the good and the bad about both candidates. They are about as non-partisan as anyone can be, as well. They have accused both Obama and McCain of lying or at least misstating certain things, while defending both on other issues. Here's a direct link to Obama's gun control policies: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html If you dislike Obama's policies, that's fine. Please make sure what you dislike is actually his policy though, and not what someone else told you it was.

As for Obama being linked to terrorists, some of his staffers happening to be at the same meeting that other people who have actually done nothing illegal (note that I do NOT agree with them, but they're as free to express their opinion as you and I are, even if we both think they're cooks) does not make him a terrorist or a Muslim. Have you never gone to a meeting or any other function and after having heard someone talk think to yourself, "Wow, I'm the only one here who's not crazy"? I have. But just because I was at the same meeting does not mean that I share the same opinions, I was invited to something that I thought would be good for the community that turned into one of the most hate-spewing and fear-mongering speaches I have ever heard in my life. From what I read, and correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't see anything mentioning that these "terrorists" actually did anything illegal. I may be wrong, some of them may have done illegal stuff, of which I do not support. And don't give me "most of them are felons or have criminal records!" stuff, because I'd say we could find at least several of supporters on both political sides that could fit that bill on this site. Actually, we could probably find a lot of them in Congress, but that's another matter entirely.

There are parts of Obama's policies I like, and parts I don't like. Same goes for McCain, though at the moment my dislikes of McCain's policies outnumber the likes. Oh, and please don't call me "blind to the truth." I have a different opinion than you. That does not mean either of us is wrong, it's just that we don't agree.

[JBryant]

Please tell me you don't buy into that....he also has stated he is against concealed carry laws, wants to limit you to buying one gun a month and is for gun egistration...yeah, he is a real bastion for the second ammendment! This from the same guy who said that people cling to guns and religion because they are better.

Also, if you use the link I posted above you will see where he had a "slip of tongue" when he commented about his "Muslim Faith." He didn't catch himself instead George Stepalloverus had to correct him!

Concealed Carry-you are correct, I believe I did read that on factcheck.org that he voted for this bill. I disagree with this part of his policy.

Limit to buying one gun a month-Wrong, one handgun a month is correct. I'm actually fine with this, as I don't see why anyone would need to buy more than 1 handgun a month (unless you're a collector, in which case, this is terribly unfair to you, I agree).

Gun registration-Again, I have no problem with this. I think guns should be registered. It just promotes more responsible use of firearms.

I'm not saying he's a bastion for second amendment rights, just that he's not going to come to your door and try to take your hunting rifle.

As far as his faith, I really don't know. All I can do is take his word for it, much the same as I can take your word for your faith.

[kyfanatic]

We all might want to keep an eye on this situation =
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/rezko_spilling_the_beans;_ylt=Akd.82fRkpTBh.dCLMA2 zVhH2ocA

As far as someone coming to my house to take my rifle (well you know the old saying about prying it from my cold dead fingers),on the other hand every small cut into gun owners rights is a another step closer to what these far left nutjobs want.I just feel that people are so hornswaggled into getting rid of Bush,that they are blindly being herded into believing Obama is some great savior,he is the larger of the two evils we have as a choice,personally what we need is a good independent candidate for once,but I'll probably never see it in my lifetime.

[JBryant]

Chances are that the thing with Rezko won't really affect Obama at all. So far, there's been no indication whatsoever of wrong-doing by him, just by a few other democratic officials in Illinois (namely the governor I believe).

And yeah, throw out an independent running for president with any common sense at all and I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. I'm a democrat, but I'm more of an independent when you look at the spectrum of issues. And that's fine if you disagree with Obama's politics, Lord knows if we ever find a politician everyone agrees with the world will explode. I just hate misinformation of both candidates, no matter where it was intended or not. I don't think Obama is a savior, and I would hope most people who support him agree that he's not a savior, I just happen to think he's more qualified to handle the issues we're being presented with. I don't think McCain is incompetent, but financially, I never agreed with the Republicans methods of "fixing" the economy. Trickle down just doesn't work like it should, because that theory doesn't incorporate the innate greed that we all have.

McCain has just gotten...scary over the past year-year and a half. I used to listen to his speeches and thought he would be a good moderate choice who would vote on the issue instead of his party line, but the closer it's gotten to the election, it seems to me that he's just fallen back on the typical Republican platforms.

[Tim_T]

"Concealed Carry-you are correct, I believe I did read that on factcheck.org that he voted for this bill. I disagree with this part of his policy." That makes two of us.

"Limit to buying one gun a month-Wrong, one handgun a month is correct. I'm actually fine with this, as I don't see why anyone would need to buy more than 1 handgun a month (unless you're a collector, in which case, this is terribly unfair to you, I agree)." Why should any law abiding citzen be restricted to one handgun per month? What if you purchased a handgun and after two weeks you decided you wanted a different one? Once again, trampling on the rights of law abiding citizens.

"Gun registration-Again, I have no problem with this. I think guns should be registered. It just promotes more responsible use of firearms." Why does the government need to know where legally purchased firearms are located? What business is it of the government what and how many LEGALLY OBTAINED firearms are in my gun safe? What's next, I have to give them the combination to the safe?

"I'm not saying he's a bastion for second amendment rights, just that he's not going to come to your door and try to take your hunting rifle." Not 100% sure of that see #1 below.

"As far as his faith, I really don't know. All I can do is take his word for it, much the same as I can take your word for your faith." I would take his word for it, if he would just be honest about what his word is! I am not sure what his faith is, and as was stated earlier, he is evidently confused about it as well.


Well, here is what we do know about Obama’s votes on gun issues, these are facts and all part of the public record.

1.) Illinois Senate, SB 1195, 3/13/03 Obama voted to ban many types of rifles and shotguns that are used for hunting and shooting sports. These range from semi-auto shotguns and rifles to AR style rifles.

2.) Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/96
Politico, 03/31/08. Obama stated that handguns should be banned for everyone but millitary and law enforcement.

3.) Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04 He voted to allow prosecution of those who use a gun for self defense in their own home. I cannot begin to digest the absurdity of that.

4.) Chicago Defender, 12/13/99 Obama supported increasing taxes on firearms and ammunition by 500 percent. Tax the manufacturers out of business.

5.) United States Senate, S. 397, vote 217, 7/29/05 Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting. Another favorite tactic of the anti gun crowd, cannot outlaw guns, outlaw the ammo.

6.) Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 4/2/08, Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04 Obama opposes Right-to-Carry laws, despite the fact that states that have concealed carry have lower crime rates.

Sorry, he is no friend of gun owners. Call me a single issue voter if you want, but anyone who is that afraid of law abiding citizens and their second ammendment rights could just as easily trample on your other constitutional rights.

[kyfanatic]

Might as well not waste your time Tim T,you could have pictures of Obama sleeping with Bin Laden and these sheep would think it was to get rid of that terrible George Bush and for the Benefit of the poor .
They want change so bad that they'll get it,but it won't be as good as they think.